one of the most challenging hikes we've done in a while....very ...and i mean very secluded...to the point where you have no idea whether you are actually on a trail...or just bushwacking randomly through the forest..of course we also choose to turn off the trail as suggested here and set out to explore the Long ridge trail that is on the opposite side of the lake (no trail marks and animal trails for a guide) However, we would definetly come back to explore more.