Just a heads up to everyone that the Starvation Creek cutoff is still closed as of Oct 13, 2018. Best approach for this loop is via the Mount Defiance trail UP and Starvation Creek DOWN. It's a tough trail and you really need to be in good shape to tackle this one. There's a reason this is rated as the most difficult trail in the Gorge. We went up Starvation Creek #414 and arrived at Warren Lake 1:30pm which was my turn around time. Will have to go up Mount defiance trail the next time.