4/28/2018 started around 915am. parking lot only had two cars when we arrived. there was a lot of snow and ice as you got to higher elevation. Be careful!! once you got above the tree line the snow and ice was all melted. Careful though, because there is a lot of huge pools of water and mud, which you will have to circumvent. Be especially careful going down, it is VERY slick, you will easily slip. When we got back at around 1:30, the parking lot was filled passed capacity.