This trail begins with a moderate rise (~400 ft) the first mile and is semi-flat the remaining 2.3 miles to John's Meadow campground. I say "semi-flat" because there are numerous elevation changes, but nothing sustained for more than a quarter mile or greater than 100 ft and most are short drops and rises of 10-20 ft as the trail navigates the contour of the side of a mountain, avoiding steep sections, large rocks, trees, etc. The defining quality of this hike is most of it is on the side of a mountain, which results in a narrow trail with smallish fixed rock and thus requires attention for about half the hike. It's the north face, so the vegetation is denser than other areas and there is even moss and ferns in some sections. Most of the views are of the peek-a-boo type, shrouded by trees, but in a few areas there are open vistas of the expansive green valley below and Big Bear mountains on the other side of the valley. Just before reaching John's Meadow the trail drops to Forsee Creek. Crossing the creek in August was not a problem, although it was clogged with wildflower and tall dense vegetation. Up the creek is a lovely rising valley framed by San Bernardino Peak in the background, which is part of a prominent mountain ridge that includes San Gorgonio. John's Meadow campground is no big deal. It's situated on a hillside with many tall trees standing and scattered logs and other debris from fallen trees on the ground -- it's not my picture of a meadow. I hiked out about a third the way with my wife and six-year-old daughter then continued on alone. I returned from the campground hiking pretty fast and even jogged some of the downhill sections for a return time of 51 minutes. If the distance is correct (3.25 miles each way), that's approx. 15-minute per mile, which is not too slow given the elevation and trail. Round-trip time was 2:05. Beside my family, I did not see another person this Saturday afternoon. While it was great to be in the mountains and nature, I rated this hike 3/5 because when I hike on the side of a mountain for a considerable distance I hope for more than limited views much of the way and because on an out-and-back of this length I hope for something worthwhile at the far end (e.g., waterfall, lake, outstanding view, summit, etc.).