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The trail doesnt really end at the waterfall area. That's what makes this a great hike. All the touristy people stop at that point .You can keep on going and there is a TRAIL. No one out there. I'll go back to continue furthur on the SECRET trail..shh..

hiking
6 hours ago

Use Desert Vista Trailhead.

Did this the other day solo despite reading previous reviews it is what they say. Loose gravel, small cacti everywhere, bush wacking, scrambling up wet washes, and the worst marked trail I've ever encountered. If you've never done this then please do yourself a favor and go early in the day. I lost an hour on the way up and almost another hour on the way down. I think going down was almost more confusing. You think you're following your previous trail then you end up almost going off a cliff. no joke. Otherwise the summit was amazing, ate lunch on the bench and signed my name in a notebook inside the mailbox. estimate 5-6 hours total. Bring gloves, snacks, and plenty of water!

hiking
rocky
scramble
7 hours ago

AllTrails should probably update their rating system and include expert level, because this one would definitely be that. I didn’t feel this was so much a hiking trail as it was a rock climbing trail. You were using all fours for a good majority of the last mile. That being said I’m from the Midwest and am an average hiker at best and I did feel overmatched by this trail but a more experienced hiker may feel right at home. Be sure to pack water and maybe a snack or two. Also the notion that dogs are allowed on the trail is absurd. A dog can maybe handle the first mile and a half but after that it’s impossible for a dog to go on this trail.

hiking
20 hours ago

This trail was so amazing. I’m new to hiking and towards the top got pretty difficult but I pushed through and the view was just stunning!

hiking
20 hours ago

This trail was absolutely amazing! Drove straight from the airport to this trail! Extremely stunning views! Did not take long to complete.

Beautiful view ! Start early to beat the crowd and watch the sunrise .

Excellent rock formations at the base, a moderate hike with few trees and sweeping valley views. Great way to get some altitude in a short amount of time. Hiked on New Years Eve in blistering wind. The hiking experience on the way up overtops the payoff at the top, so enjoy the journey!

Short hike. Took only about 10 minutes to climb up but the views are still stunning. A hike that almost anyone can do.

Amazing views

My little beagle loved it and crushed the uphill portions. Carried her downhill because she didn’t want to leave plus the critters during dusk were all out driving her nuts. Went only up to the cable sections about 1.2 miles up. Too difficult with a dog on leash and dogs are not allowed past the saddle.

Gloves with grip and hiking boots/shoes.

Great hike. There are a few spots that definitely require a little patience and safety; otherwise you will be calling an airlift out.
Go on a weekday if possible. Less traffic. There are a lot of spots that only one person can pass at a time.
No dogs past the first guide cables. Don’t be that idiot.

It is an amazing hike. Summer can get HOT, so be sure to bring lots of water. During the winter/spring the water can be a little high at times BUT if the water at the crossings is up, then the views of the waterfalls become even better.

A nice little hike with some scenic views on the needle at the end. We will return soon to do the whole weaver’s needle trail! Some running water in places today, may be more after the rain tonight.

READ before you take this trip

This was an incredible hike. Only saw 2 other people the entire trip. The only complaints and advise I have is:

- the road to the parking for the hike is dirt road. We went after it rained and it was a little challenging with a car. Suggest a truck or Jeep. It’s a long drive from the main road. My car made it fine but it was a lot slower than if I was in a bigger off road vehicle.

- the hike is NOT 8.6 miles. We followed it to a tee (this app was amazing and it recorded everything) it was 10.3 miles long! Thank goodness we took snacks and plenty of water. (Pack accordingly) better to have more than enough then not enough)

- stop and enjoy the sights!! It was beautiful! We went clockwise (and so happy we did!) the hardest part was at the beginning but once you get over the first mountain to the bottom the running water was beautiful and so relaxing. We sat there for 30 min listening to the water run and the birds chirp and took our first break.

- the rest of the trip was great. Lots of up and downhill. But nothing too hard. There are a few places where you need to watch your footing because of the drop (small trail)

- Stop for breaks and bring snacks as this is a long one. NOT recommended for hot weather. The sun was out and at times made it hard (it beats down on you) not a lot of coverage. But since the weather was so nice, the breeze made it tolerable. Wear good sunblock! Even though it was breezy and cool we got a good redness from the day. Cloudy days seem to burn more lol.

I hike often but this by far was the longest one I’ve been on. I’m not in the best shape and still was able to do this one. A little harder at times but definitely, if you have the stamina do it! My daughter (18) came with me and she has only hiked ( more like walked ) once in her life. It was hard towards the end to get to the finish. But definitely doable. I would say between moderate and hard. Because the length and the climbs. Be prepared for over a 10 mile hike for this one. I will try to attach my map so you can see. The record on the map was spot on and so helpful. There are only 2 places along the journey that it is hard to find the connecting trail, the map helped when we zoomed in and were trying to figure the direction. Otherwise it is easy to know where to go. It is not marked well at all and easy to get lost so make sure to look at your phone often.

*********I took a charging case and a backup mophie charger for my iPhone. Thank goodness or I would have run out of battery. The app runs constantly and drains the battery. we would still be in the mountains if it wasn’t for the app! *******

We are definitely sore today. Mainly calves, but feels great to accomplish this one! Enjoy your trip!

This was a nice morning hike! Took my dog for the first time and it wasn’t too hard for him. It’s beautiful at sunrise! It took about an hour to hike the whole thing!

Short, a nice first stretch of the legs after a long drive to the park.

Awesome hike! As a pretty experienced hiker, this trail was difficult because of the lack of markers. Easy to lose your way if you are not looking up to find blue and white dots throughout. Amazing views at the top! When in doubt, stay left on the way up. Gloves would be very helpful for the way down as you are rock climbing down for the first mile descend. Not for someone who is afraid of heights or is a nervous hiker. Definitely recommend this bad boy if you are in the Mesa/Phoenix area!

trail running
2 days ago

Trail is well traveled, plenty of people coming and going no matter time of the day. It is a good trail to get the heart pumping, view is beautiful and trail itself is pretty good. There is lots of loose gravel on the northwest side of trail, I did this trail cubed a couple of times (up and over and back again) and either way is a nice workout.

Great long hard hike. Best done in cool weather as it is hot and steep! There are sections of climbing and scrambling back down, not for the nervous hiker.

Beautiful view, at the end! This hike does require a lot of rock climbing and can be a bit slippery. Make sure you wear hiking shoes for good grip. There were a lot of people who brought their dog along for the hike, but they just have to be on a leash.

Climbing up the mountain was a bit of a challenge and may appear scary for those afraid of heights. I thought I wasn’t going to make it up at first and freaked out when looking back down.. but I manage to push myself to the top. Surprisingly the way down seems a lot easier.

Parking day pass is $5.

P.S. don’t follow strangers down a different path.. you go up and down the same way you came from.

Really demanding hike. Come prepared with plenty of water and hiking boots. There are times where you will face 20ft rock climbing walls. This is not a breeze in the Park but easily doable with some common sense. Heavily traffic at times. The only downside is that a lot of the trail markers are not as legible anymore or non existent in places hence why I gave it 4 stars. Beautiful 360 views. This hike is definitely a worthy feeling of accomplishment when completed. Don't give up and just go slow. Cheers.

Relatively easy hike.
Reached the saddle in 2 hours.
Then walked down to the needle base and back in 1:15 hours.
Water used was 1.5 liters.
Forest service has a real bathroom at the trailhead.
Total hike time 5.5 hour includes two 15 minute breaks.
Dress in layers
Gravel road last 5 miles.

hiking
2 days ago

Honestly it was a really great hike I went on Sunday and there was a light traffic of people, however it was still extremely enjoyable. I’ll admit I actually got off the path a few times, so I had to use this apps map to help me get back on course. Going down to the actual palm trees was a challenge, but it was worth it. There are many beautiful scenarios along the way so I recommend doing this hike.

Must do. Moderate to difficult climb but the view is incredible!

Easy trail with a bit of climb at the end. Beautiful views. Take the trail and let the vehicles take the road.

Stunning trail! Expansive views with a waterfall!

hiking
2 days ago

Nice trail a bit busy but no issues. Nice views and a nice varied terrain. Good gripping shoes a must saw a few people slip while decending. Trail is clearly cut and easy to follow. Will return soon. Travel safe.

a little rocky but a great day/workout. we would definitely do it again. the water and views were beautiful.

Loved it

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