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This is a great challenge. I do this hike every year in January or February.

The first thing to figure out with this trail is if you want a big up or big down. If you go clockwise you will get the big up first. If you go counterclockwise you get the big down last thing before you get back to your car.

The rest of this trail is really gradual and most of it is very easy going. I was even thinking this could be one of the better trails for trail running out there.

The flora and fauna for much of the route is in within riparian areas and is incredibly diverse. More than all that, this trail is absolutely beautiful from start to finish. This would be perfect for someone who has been building up endurance for a longer hike, but doesn't need 2000'+ elevation gains.

When the desert is green, this is the most beautiful trail. Easy to moderate hike, great views everywhere you look, on every section of the trail. I’ve only seen the waterfall once, in the spring. Usually it’s dry. This is one of my favorites in the Supes.

An incredible hike for sure!
So much to see on your way up the Needle with plant of shady spots to take a mini break before continuing.
No Permit needed to go exploringout here, unless you're trying to squeeze in The Wave Cave, which you actually pass by on your way to The Peralta Trailhead.
Anyhow, bring some good sturdy shoes as the terrain can get quite rugged as you gain elevation.
The amazing needle view from Fremont Saddle is quite a reward after all that hiking!

As a senior, this trail was difficult because it was narrow in many places, rocky and not much shade. However the views are worth it especially when you reach the saddle and continue out to the overview of Weavers Needle. A bonus, the way back is mostly downhill. I have completed this trek about 5 times and now at 79, it's out of the question due to the lack of shade!!!

A moderately tough climb due to Elevation, loose rocks and gravel. Well worth the effort as you reach the summit the views are fantastic.

One of my favorites!
2 things you need to know.
1- it's rough driving to get there, but the road from Roosevelt lake is much smoother and shorter than the one closer to Phoenix. you need clearance, 4 wd isn't necessary but helpful
2- the last run is very steep and dangerous, careless hikers above you may drop rocks and people die from falls. but it's very very doable. just be aware.

additionally, I know I would get grief for this, but I hike off trail to get down. on your decent, before you get to the steep drop, I turn down toward the parking lot. it's loose dirt in some areas and I would guess if there's leaves on the trees you might lose your bearings. but it was an excellent decision for us as we were running out of sunlight, we beat others down while had left the summit 30 minutes before us.

I would rate the hike, itself, as easy. most of the way was relatively flat until you get to the end and even that wasn't really hard. The sad part (and the reason for 4 stars instead of 5) was that there was no waterfall at the end. As my companions joked, it was a waterFELL. Still, it was a lovely hike with pretty views of the surrounding mountains and lots of different cacti to look at along the way.

hiking
1 month ago

Gorgeous trail! Somewhat challenging in spots for me (54 year old semi fit), but not for my 25 year old daughter. Took about 3.5 hours, and we brought several gallons of water as it was about 104 degrees today. Views are amazing!

hiking
1 month ago

We loved this hike! It’s so beautiful. We started early to beat the heat.

Hiked it during the day and then again 6 hours later to catch the eclipse a few months ago. If you get towards the top late in the day to see the sun start to set the view is best around Phoenix IMO

Nice trail but absolutely no markers or trail information other then that at very start .

This trail is absolutely stunning! I couldn't stop looking around in awe. There are a few things that I would caution future hikers about: going counter clockwise, you start on Dutchman's but then after you cross a creek and see a sign for trail 235 (bluff springs?), you take that left, don't continue on Dutchman's.

Also both my my and my husband's phones read 12 miles when we finished (12.5 if you count our wrong turn) and going at a moderate pace it took 6.5 hours. Even on a relatively cool day (90 degrees as the high) with a steady breeze, we still ran out of water with about 20 minutes left, even after rationing while we hiked. We only saw one other couple the ENTIRE route, so getting hurt or running out of water would be very dangerous.

All that to say, as rough as we felt when we finished (we're used to 1-3 hour hikes) we still want to go again in the fall. It seriously was one of the most beautiful hikes!

Wow, what a great hike! We started at 6am going up Siphon Draw to the Flatiron Summit and then across Ridgeline Tr to Peralta Rd. Going this direction kept us in the shade going up to Flatiron. While this hike isn't particularly long (12.2mi by my GPS), it is very difficult. You will get poked, scraped and jabbed often on this unmaintained, single track trail. Navigating this trail is pretty easy by following the cairns. It is beautiful, rugged and remote. We didn't see a single soul all day after we passed Flatiron. If you're looking for a true, tough AZ hike, this is it. Awesome!

My wife and I did this hike Saturday May 12th. Temps were to be a high of 88 in the valley which made it very nice up top at the 4900' level of the ridgeline trail. We ascended up Siphon Draw and exited out the trailhead on Peralta road. For the most part this trail was well marked to follow it through the rockey terrain where an actual path became less defined. We did get off trail a couple times and its easy to do so. If you don't see a rock cairn pile back track and get back on trail. Good news was that I had cell coverage (Verizon) the whole hike to get position data and reference my locations. GPS and/and or map location service is highly recommended. Just before we decended we got off trail pretty good and really was thankful that we could determine position to get get back on the trail.
Views were spectacular as we expected as we have been up Siphon Draw before and hiked Weavers Needle loop off Peralta trail. As for the difficulty its well deserving of an Expert rating. My wife and I both agree its more difficult than the Grand Canyon since the trail is not a nicely groomed path and this makes it tougher on your body.
As for time we left Lost Dutchman SP at 8:45a and made it to our parked car in the Lost Dutchman TH overflow parking lot at 8pm. Parking there added 0.7 miles at the end of the hike. getting offtrail likely added another 30 min to the journey too. I enjoyed the hike tremendously and caution that you be prepared for a physical challenge and take lots of pictures. We had a little more than 1 gallon each of water which seemed adequate. We rebuilt quite a few rock cairns markers which are necessary to stay on trail so remember to pay it forward for the next hiker behind you.

Easy hike for first 2 miles, then scramble comes up on you. Be ready to climb. Requires athleticism and no fear of heights. Spectacular view at the top. Highly reccomend for those capable.

Experienced Hikers Only. Most of the trail is marked only by rock cairns. Have a hard copy of the map. Bring at least 4 liters of water and start as early as possible in the day. Expect 8-10 hours based on experience. Noticed that I had cell service throughout most of the day. Amazing trail with incredible views. Be safe!

Hiked up to Fremont Saddle with my wife to get the awesome view of Weavers Needle. Started out about 7:30 am to beat the heat and other hikers. Had the whole view up at the top to ourselves for about a half hr. Made our way back down about 9:30 and met the flood of other hikers making their way up. Very nice moderate hike. Path is wide open and easy to maneuver.

hiking
3 months ago

A beautiful trail of boulder hopping. The sounds of the birds, the coolness of the trees and the many colored rocks. We hiked in 2 hours and back, I would of loved to go further.

awesome hike! So beautiful & perfect length - was able to do this in 3 hours in the morning to avoid the heat. The only downside is the loud planes and cars on the road nearby.

loved! hoping this stays a secret, not many ppl on the trail. A little hard to navigate and long but worth it if you're looking to get away from all the noise of civilization =)

Beautiful day spent in solitude. Went counterclockwise starting at 11am, and ran into 3 people coming the other way. Finished around 530. Stopped halfway for a 30 minute break.

Loved the changing scenery on this hike. Went from rolling hills, to a dry riverbed, up and over the trail to Peralta.

Hiked in late April, and thought I could get away with 2.5 to 3L of water. Ran out about 2 hours before the end of the trail, making it a real adventure! I would bring 4L for this hike in the future. That first taste of cold water from the gas station was refreshing to say the least.

Would absolutely come back to this location and try it clockwise next time.

Great hike! Beautiful views with good challenges.

**Read this if you want to take your dog...**
I hiked this amazing trail two weeks ago with my 50 lb 8 year old trail seasoned blue weimaraner who hikes mountain trails 4-7 times a week. The trail was fine, easy even, until we had to climb over the large boulder. We did it but there is a ledge about a foot wide on the other side of the boulder with a 20 foot drop below. My dog was not a fan! Two of us handled her by harness to get her over and pass her down. (I was told by a friend you can go around that boulder-Just like you can go around the 12ft wall on Flat Iron) After this point the trail increases significantly in vertical climb up to the peak. Up is never the issue-as you know down is harder. We got about 3/4 of the way on this part of the trail to the top of the peak before we tapped out! We probably could have climbed it, but the decent would have been dangerous and irresponsible for both me and my dog to attempt together. This dog has hiked Flat Iron in the Sups, Humphreys and hikes Black Mountain in Cave Creek 3-6 times a week-all labeled as difficult hikes. Take your dog if you don't mind NOT climbing to the peak. The entire hike round trip took 2 hours for very seasoned hikers with stops. I would recommend bringing gloves.
We will return this weekend without my dog.

***Road driving caution. I drive a Jeep Trailhawk -I drove this 18 mile forest road fast and rough. It was a lot of fun but it loosened 2 heat shields and broke 3 motor mounts--I can't entirely blame the road for the motor mounts, they may have been close to needing to be replaced. But drive fast and fun knowing the risks...

trail running
3 months ago

I highly recommend this loop. We started at 6 am in mid April and the temperatures were perfect. I ran the loop in shorts and my new balance street running shoes. After reading other reviews i chose to go counter clockwise and upon reaching the last half mile or so i am glad i did. It would have been very difficult to climb that last section and them finish the loop i think. Overall the trail was easy to follow, well designated, interspersed with technical and non technical sections, most of which was non technical. I run trails in the Houston TX area so take that to heart. I was able to finish this loop in about an hour and 45 minutes with and average pace of 11 min/mile. I run a lot, but nothing like this. The scenery was breathtaking and moving. Get there at sun up, start early, stop to take in the view from time to time, and enjoy a moderate technical trail with some great sections to fly through. I clocked the loop, counter clockwise, at 9.4 miles on my apple watch.

As mentioned below, I recommend taking the trail Clockwise starting on the Peralta side. (Trail 102 to 104 to 234 to 235) If you start early enough, you will have a great view of Weaver’s Needle at sunrise. The trail is pretty well defined and you will notice when you start getting of course and I just always looked for footprints to help me find my way. There’s quite a bit of loose rocks along the 234/235 trail which is another reason why I would recommend going clockwise because I would not want to be going down hill on that part of the trail. The rest of the trail however is dirt path and easy to hike. Like everyone else has said, bring lots of water and snacks! It is the desert and this hike is long- took me about 5 and half hours or so with minimal stops and keeping pace. It’s an awesome challenging trail though and highly recommend!

Great Sunday morning hike. Great 360 degree views. Started out around 9:30am and finished up around noon. Would recommend an earlier start from now through the hot months as it was approaching 85 when we finished up. There is no shade on the trail. Bring plenty of water & sunscreen. Wear hiking footwear as it’s very rocky on the trail, especially, the first half. Great hike!!

Stunning. Variety of terrain. Challenging in that there's several stretches of steep, continuous incline at times, however not terribly difficult beyond that.

What a great trail! Fantastic views along the way and of course at the top. The hike is fairly easy until you get to the chute. Take your time going up and you should be fine, only a few questionable spots.

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